{"id":4492,"date":"2024-04-11T07:24:00","date_gmt":"2024-04-11T07:24:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/composers-inside-electronics.net\/cie-wp20\/?p=4492"},"modified":"2026-04-06T11:39:33","modified_gmt":"2026-04-06T11:39:33","slug":"cie-history","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/composers-inside-electronics.net\/cie-wp20\/cie-history\/","title":{"rendered":"CIE History and Evolution"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_89 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-grey ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Table of Contents<\/p>\n<label for=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-item-6afa2ff357f17\" class=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-label\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" style=\"display:none;\">Toggle<\/span><span class=\"ez-toc-icon-toggle-span\"><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"list-377408\" width=\"20px\" height=\"20px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M6 6H4v2h2V6zm14 0H8v2h12V6zM4 11h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2zM4 16h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" class=\"arrow-unsorted-368013\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"10px\" height=\"10px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" version=\"1.2\" baseProfile=\"tiny\"><path d=\"M18.2 9.3l-6.2-6.3-6.2 6.3c-.2.2-.3.4-.3.7s.1.5.3.7c.2.2.4.3.7.3h11c.3 0 .5-.1.7-.3.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7zM5.8 14.7l6.2 6.3 6.2-6.3c.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7c-.2-.2-.4-.3-.7-.3h-11c-.3 0-.5.1-.7.3-.2.2-.3.5-.3.7s.1.5.3.7z\"\/><\/svg><\/span><\/span><\/label><input type=\"checkbox\"  id=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-item-6afa2ff357f17\"  aria-label=\"Toggle\" \/><nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1 ' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/composers-inside-electronics.net\/cie-wp20\/cie-history\/#Upcoming_Recently_Completed_and_in_Progress\" >Upcoming, Recently Completed and in Progress<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-2\" href=\"https:\/\/composers-inside-electronics.net\/cie-wp20\/cie-history\/#Evolution_2014-2024\" >Evolution 2014-2024<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-3\" href=\"https:\/\/composers-inside-electronics.net\/cie-wp20\/cie-history\/#From_CIE_Legacy_Site_1973-2014\" >From CIE Legacy Site 1973-2014<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-4\" href=\"https:\/\/composers-inside-electronics.net\/cie-wp20\/cie-history\/#Other_Links\" >Other Links<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Upcoming_Recently_Completed_and_in_Progress\"><\/span>Upcoming, Recently Completed and in Progress<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This page a work in progress as of April 2024.  Please feel free to suggest addition and modications. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There is a web page here <a href=\"https:\/\/composers-inside-electronics.net\/cie\/cie\/cie_history.html\">https:\/\/composers-inside-electronics.net\/cie\/cie\/cie_history.html<\/a> and available below which was a point in time description of Composers Inside Electronics from 1973 to 2014.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">As of April 2024, we have several projects in development<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><em>Cluster Fields<\/em> and <em>Gestures \/ Murmurations<\/em> at Zuccaire Gallery Stony Brook Staller Center for the Perorming Arts<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Formulation of the David Tudor Sound Lab (DTSL) as a program under Composers Inside Electronics<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>establishing CIE Collection &#8211; portfolio of current portfolio and archival material<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Gestures \/ Murmurations preview at Issue Project Room April 24,2024<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Re-embodied Sounds at EMPAC &#8211; March 2024<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Evolution_2014-2024\"><\/span>Evolution 2014-2024<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CIE over the decades has undergone various manifestations, focus, and personnel. As of 2014, in retrospect we had concluded a body of work focused on Rainforest IV as a performed installation.  With <em>Rainforest V<\/em> in Mexico City and Governors Island, we began seeking a more permanent place for the work as a self-running installation. We had the idea for a virtual Rainforest as a concept without a concrete means to proceed on that. Our work was shifting from performance to unattended and interactive installations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Driscoll and Edelstein started the internet domain composer-inside-electronics.net.  We were using the Apple iWeb application for managing public and private online web pages. By around 2014, Apple had dropped support for iWeb. We continued using that for a number of years until operating system upgrades no longer allowed that 32-bit app to be effectively utilized along with browser support for various widgets and media links no longer usable. Those pages are still avalable here <a href=\"http:\/\/composers-inside-electronics.net\/cie\/cie\/cie_home.html\">http:\/\/composers-inside-electronics.net\/cie\/cie\/cie_home.html<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Julie Martin invited John Driscoll and Phil Edelstein to E.A.T. Revisited Symposium at the Exploratorium. This was catalyst for sequence of activities triggered by a number of factors in conjunction with a visit to the Getty Research Institute going through the Tudor collection and the realization of possibilities for a <em>Rainforest V<\/em> as an edition, discusions with Patricia Lent from the Cunningham Trust regarding opportunities based in referrals for realization of the Tudor works incorporated in upcoming Cunningham realizations, and the Tudor instruments at Wesleyan.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In summary, the decade from 2014-2024 saw :<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>the 4 acquisitions of the <em>Rainforest V <\/em>edition as a CIE focus and related publications and online documentation<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>proliferation of <em>Rainforest IV<\/em> at various degrees of association with CIE and note several unaffiliated realizations<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>realization of a repetoire of Tudor work through synergies between the RF V opportunities, understandings coming the Tudor materials at GRI and the Wesleyan instrument collection<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>evolving collaborative threads (E.g. Driscoll &#8211; Lopez, Jaff\u00e9 &#8211; Edelstein, Driscoll &#8211; Edelstein) with intertwinings and transference between performance and installation<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>realizations with dance companies of some of the Cunningham-Tudor repetoire: (w\/Stephen Pertronio, Ballet De Lorraine, Lyon Opera Ballet)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Projects such as <a href=\"https:\/\/composers-inside-electronics.net\/cie-wp20\/?s=unexpected\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/composers-inside-electronics.net\/cie-wp20\/?s=unexpected\">Unexpected Territories<\/a> with Singuhr and <em><a href=\"https:\/\/composers-inside-electronics.net\/cie-wp20\/teasing-chaos-mdm-salzburg\/\">Teasing Chaos <\/a><\/em>at MdM<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Here is more details list of notable highlightes  (links to be supplied) &#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><em>Rainforest IV<\/em> at Brown and Caramoor including workshops with new generations of collaborators<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><em>E.A.T. Revisited at Stevens<\/em> Institute including workshop and working with Scot Gresham-Lancaster with his live link to the Neural Network synthesizer located in Mark Holler&#8217;s winery<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>formulaton of <em>Rainforest V<\/em> edition of 4 variations of 20 object each now in the collection of:\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>MdM Salzburg including\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>showing as part of the E.A.T. exibition there<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>loans to Lyon Biennale, Museum of Modern Art Warsaw, Kresfeld Museum<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>MAC Lyon<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>MoMA NY including\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Forest Speech ensemble workshop and performances at MoMA <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>lecture demo<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>3d video and virtual walkthru (with Seth Cluett and Chris Manzione)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Arter Istanbul including \n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>workshops with Columbia University Computer Music Dept and MIAM (Istanbul)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>50 Looks inside Rainforest V<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>on-line interviews including: Gordon Mumma, Julie Martin, Driscoll, Edelstein, Rogalsky, Laura Kuhn and others<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>concept plan for the David Tudor Sound Lab<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Bloodlines Project and touring with Stephen Petronio Dance Company: ensembles for realizaions of Cunningham;s <em>RainForest<\/em>, <em>Signals<\/em>, and <em>Tread<\/em> (with Christian Wolff&#8217;s &#8220;<em>For 1, 2 or 3 Players&#8221;<\/em> )<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Fridman Gallery New Ear Festival and offshoots include a realization of <em>Apple Box Orchestra <\/em>for Pauline Oliveros memorial at the Park Avenue Armory (with remembrances of E.A.T. 9 Evenings  in the Drill Hall)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>projects such as <em>RainForest<\/em> for Ballet de Lorraine and <em>Exchange<\/em> with Tudor&#8217;s Weatherings for Lyon Opera Ballet (sound design Edelstein with performances : Montpellier, dance festival Paris Theatre du Chalet and 2 seasons in Lyon<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Various of other performances: \n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Queens University Kingston ON (organized by Matt Rogalksy)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Kitchen Festival (organized by Driscoll and Edelstein)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Wesleyan Idio Entre Festival (organized by Ron Kuivila)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><em>Rainforest IV <\/em>at Wesleyan as part of SEAMUS conference<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><em>Teasing Chaos<\/em> at MdM Salzburg with new installation works by John Driscoll, Phil Edelstein, Paul DeMarinis, along with performances with John Driscoll, Phil Edelstein, Matt Rogalsky\/Dimitri Georgaras<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><em>Unexpected Territories<\/em> Berlin produced by SigUhr<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>working with Michael Johnsen in his re-creation of the Mumma Sound Modifier from Pavilion<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>consultation on the E.A.T. exhibition and performances planned for 2024 at Getty Research Institute<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Other collaborations with CIE extended group of collaborators:\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Cluster Fields (Driscoll, Edelstein) &#8211; University of Maryland Art Gallery and New Bedford Art Museum<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Gestures \/Mumurations (Lopez, Driscoll) <\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>LocaleS2 (Jaff\u00e9, Edelstein, Reeder)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Re-embodied Sound at EMPAC (RPI) and Rainforest IV workshop and realization<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Performances at venus such at the Kitchen, Spectrum, Roulette<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">See also You Nakai&#8217;s book &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/remindedbytheinstruments.info\/\">Reminded by the Instruments<\/a>&#8220;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"From_CIE_Legacy_Site_1973-2014\"><\/span>From CIE Legacy Site 1973-2014<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/composers-inside-electronics.net\/cie\/cie\/cie_history.html\">https:\/\/composers-inside-electronics.net\/cie\/cie\/cie_history.html<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/composers-inside-electronics.net\/cie\/cie\/cie_history.html\" width=\"100%\" height=\"1000\" style=\"border:none;\">\n<\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Other_Links\"><\/span>Other Links<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-cie-20 wp-block-embed-cie-20\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"6p3aGiNGxn\"><a href=\"https:\/\/composers-inside-electronics.net\/cie-wp20\/john-driscoll-chronology\/\">John Driscoll Chronology<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; 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